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		<title>By: Ak</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-21133</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the fact that the selection process needs to be reviewed. I&#039;m one of the high school students who were accepted for the fifth year, which is this one, and so far i&#039;ve been studying medicine for a good 2 months. What i hate is that in order to get a scholarship, all the government needs is good grades, and a decent score on two aptitude exams. Now i&#039;m with 49 other students, who are supposed to be the absolute cream of the crop as far as scholastic abilities go, and truth be told, 8 out of 10 are them simply won&#039;t make it. Being a graduate of a highly flawed system where all you need to pass your high school exams with flying colors, or what passes for flying colors, are to memorize your books word for word ( or rub them on your body, for added luck), and go into an exam and literally pull a &quot;copy paste&quot;. And then the ministry says that the students  who don&#039;t make it through the foundation year and into the main college, have only themselves to blame. Can you blame them? There was no interview process, no seeing if the person could handle the stresses of encountering culture shock, no FIXED level of english they would have to have in order to apply for the scholarship(IELTS of TOEFL.) For all the benefits that KASP has, i think all that money could be put to much better use, if they&#039;d only make sure it went to the people who truly deserved it, and could make something out of the opportunity. It&#039;s the fifth edition now, they&#039;ve had ample time to learn from the mistakes of yesteryear, and according to the ministry,the program is going to go on for another five years. Now if only they don&#039;t fuck that up more than they already have is all I can hope for, for the country&#039;s sake, and all the people who deserve the chance to study abroad, but just don&#039;t have the means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the fact that the selection process needs to be reviewed. I&#8217;m one of the high school students who were accepted for the fifth year, which is this one, and so far i&#8217;ve been studying medicine for a good 2 months. What i hate is that in order to get a scholarship, all the government needs is good grades, and a decent score on two aptitude exams. Now i&#8217;m with 49 other students, who are supposed to be the absolute cream of the crop as far as scholastic abilities go, and truth be told, 8 out of 10 are them simply won&#8217;t make it. Being a graduate of a highly flawed system where all you need to pass your high school exams with flying colors, or what passes for flying colors, are to memorize your books word for word ( or rub them on your body, for added luck), and go into an exam and literally pull a &#8220;copy paste&#8221;. And then the ministry says that the students  who don&#8217;t make it through the foundation year and into the main college, have only themselves to blame. Can you blame them? There was no interview process, no seeing if the person could handle the stresses of encountering culture shock, no FIXED level of english they would have to have in order to apply for the scholarship(IELTS of TOEFL.) For all the benefits that KASP has, i think all that money could be put to much better use, if they&#8217;d only make sure it went to the people who truly deserved it, and could make something out of the opportunity. It&#8217;s the fifth edition now, they&#8217;ve had ample time to learn from the mistakes of yesteryear, and according to the ministry,the program is going to go on for another five years. Now if only they don&#8217;t fuck that up more than they already have is all I can hope for, for the country&#8217;s sake, and all the people who deserve the chance to study abroad, but just don&#8217;t have the means.</p>
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		<title>By: lana</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20976</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yes, our country needs engineers and doctors. But we also need artists, philosophers, linguists, sociologists, and graphic designers.&quot;  

yeslam fammak , man write on !!
 keep on writing , keep it coming , i light up reading your stuff , our likes are not few , may the day come when our voices are actually heard, 

and it will! never stop ya Ostaz.i won&#039;t stop  either, not stopping might inspire the change needed, write on....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, our country needs engineers and doctors. But we also need artists, philosophers, linguists, sociologists, and graphic designers.&#8221;  </p>
<p>yeslam fammak , man write on !!<br />
 keep on writing , keep it coming , i light up reading your stuff , our likes are not few , may the day come when our voices are actually heard, </p>
<p>and it will! never stop ya Ostaz.i won&#8217;t stop  either, not stopping might inspire the change needed, write on&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20975</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this post is a bit misinformed, and has jumped to conclusions based on smatterings of info from here and there.

1. As already mentioned in the comments, most Saudis who come to the US initially enroll in an English program before starting their university studies. This varies from 6 months to 2 years.

2. I don&#039;t know about this batch of scholarships, but while at various universities in the US in the late 90&#039;s to mid 2000&#039;s, I can assure you that their disciplines were not as narrow as you think - many were in education and related programs, for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post is a bit misinformed, and has jumped to conclusions based on smatterings of info from here and there.</p>
<p>1. As already mentioned in the comments, most Saudis who come to the US initially enroll in an English program before starting their university studies. This varies from 6 months to 2 years.</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t know about this batch of scholarships, but while at various universities in the US in the late 90&#8242;s to mid 2000&#8242;s, I can assure you that their disciplines were not as narrow as you think &#8211; many were in education and related programs, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Saudi Arabia: Why KASP is Flawed</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20973</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Voices Online &#187; Saudi Arabia: Why KASP is Flawed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20966</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I cannot speak directly to the academic track record of Saudis hired in the 70&#039;s 80&#039;s, in general where there is the type of faculty building and newer universities and university programs the emphasis is on teaching and administration, which takes time and energy from research.

Research as a major promotional criterion for almost all North American academics is more a phenomenon of the 90&#039;s. Until then, and still in some positions in some universities it was/is possible to advance and get tenure without a major research contribution.

Hopefully the new wave of Saudi scholarship graduates will keep up with current demands and contribute well to the academic and scientific evolution of the country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I cannot speak directly to the academic track record of Saudis hired in the 70&#8242;s 80&#8242;s, in general where there is the type of faculty building and newer universities and university programs the emphasis is on teaching and administration, which takes time and energy from research.</p>
<p>Research as a major promotional criterion for almost all North American academics is more a phenomenon of the 90&#8242;s. Until then, and still in some positions in some universities it was/is possible to advance and get tenure without a major research contribution.</p>
<p>Hopefully the new wave of Saudi scholarship graduates will keep up with current demands and contribute well to the academic and scientific evolution of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Saad Al Dosari</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saad Al Dosari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great post that spoke the mind of many, and I am one of them. Since its start, the program selection criteria are not that clear to me. For instance, about 80% of the people I know or heard that they got the scholarship were not academic achievers throughout their undergraduate studies ... so what is the point of sending them anyway!! 

The comparison with the 70’s and 80’s program is very interesting and thought stimulating.  Most of those who got the higher degree by that time are teaching in universities right now. But how many of them did publish a reputable research, how many of them did build an international reputation? ... I am afraid the answer won’t be that pretty!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post that spoke the mind of many, and I am one of them. Since its start, the program selection criteria are not that clear to me. For instance, about 80% of the people I know or heard that they got the scholarship were not academic achievers throughout their undergraduate studies &#8230; so what is the point of sending them anyway!! </p>
<p>The comparison with the 70’s and 80’s program is very interesting and thought stimulating.  Most of those who got the higher degree by that time are teaching in universities right now. But how many of them did publish a reputable research, how many of them did build an international reputation? &#8230; I am afraid the answer won’t be that pretty!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.redah</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20962</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i agree with you because i meet big saudi proph studied in uk i told him i want to study english at ksu but he band me because he said you can not study english because you are &quot;blind english is hard subject for you you are blind go and study any thing alse ... &quot; he studied in uk england just see his mind and kind of phelosephy he has he is not allone there are of cource others like him]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with you because i meet big saudi proph studied in uk i told him i want to study english at ksu but he band me because he said you can not study english because you are &#8220;blind english is hard subject for you you are blind go and study any thing alse &#8230; &#8221; he studied in uk england just see his mind and kind of phelosephy he has he is not allone there are of cource others like him</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.redah</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20961</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello i think the change i mean good change should come from inside not from outside we should change our mind here in saudia arabia then we can adapt with any another culture or idiology and culture thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello i think the change i mean good change should come from inside not from outside we should change our mind here in saudia arabia then we can adapt with any another culture or idiology and culture thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Chiara</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chiara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who does psychotherapy with uni students, including foreign ones, and who supervises grad students, I would agree that other factors contribute to failure, and would add that: graduate studies are categorically different than undergrad and not for everyone, no matter how bright they are; students are often required on the application for acceptance to the program to pick topic and superviser without the benefit of &quot;local uni knowledge&quot;, and often find these were not a good fit for them. They can be fairly far into their studies/years on scholarship before this becomes obvious, and not be sure that they can change or that it would be advisable to do so. Also they face the challenges of all young adults about life stages and the pressures coming with them: career preparation, romance, marriage, and children--all of which are harder to negotiate for women, though challenging to men too. 

Preparation in humanities and philosophy makes better professional whatevers as recruiters and employers have discovered. It also sets a base of people within the country who have been exposed to alternate views and can transmit these sotto voce if necessary, and even if only to those in their immediate sphere--or via blogs!

Since there are academic departments of foreign languages and literatures in 
Saudi universities it is good to have Saudis well-trained to be their professors. This elevates the level of study in such departments, and due to ongoing research gives prominence to Saudis and Saudi themes in international academic circles, eg on topics not usually covered in the media, or perhaps even within Saudi commonly.

Many students from highly homogenous and restrictive countries change profoundly over the course of a scholarship period which can be as long as 7 years and happens at formative time whether for undergrad, grad, or postgrad, ie late adolescence/ early adulthood. At the very least they share this evolution with immediate family, friends, and trusted contacts, even if some do &quot;revert&quot; on return. Often the change is seen in expectations of, and opportunities given to children including daughters, rather than with choice of wife, lifestyle, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who does psychotherapy with uni students, including foreign ones, and who supervises grad students, I would agree that other factors contribute to failure, and would add that: graduate studies are categorically different than undergrad and not for everyone, no matter how bright they are; students are often required on the application for acceptance to the program to pick topic and superviser without the benefit of &#8220;local uni knowledge&#8221;, and often find these were not a good fit for them. They can be fairly far into their studies/years on scholarship before this becomes obvious, and not be sure that they can change or that it would be advisable to do so. Also they face the challenges of all young adults about life stages and the pressures coming with them: career preparation, romance, marriage, and children&#8211;all of which are harder to negotiate for women, though challenging to men too. </p>
<p>Preparation in humanities and philosophy makes better professional whatevers as recruiters and employers have discovered. It also sets a base of people within the country who have been exposed to alternate views and can transmit these sotto voce if necessary, and even if only to those in their immediate sphere&#8211;or via blogs!</p>
<p>Since there are academic departments of foreign languages and literatures in<br />
Saudi universities it is good to have Saudis well-trained to be their professors. This elevates the level of study in such departments, and due to ongoing research gives prominence to Saudis and Saudi themes in international academic circles, eg on topics not usually covered in the media, or perhaps even within Saudi commonly.</p>
<p>Many students from highly homogenous and restrictive countries change profoundly over the course of a scholarship period which can be as long as 7 years and happens at formative time whether for undergrad, grad, or postgrad, ie late adolescence/ early adulthood. At the very least they share this evolution with immediate family, friends, and trusted contacts, even if some do &#8220;revert&#8221; on return. Often the change is seen in expectations of, and opportunities given to children including daughters, rather than with choice of wife, lifestyle, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: mawlia</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2010/03/06/kasp/#comment-20958</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the problem with these scholarships is that people take it for granted. For example, dream and hope to leave the kingdom not to further education but to party and so...
 I know someone who had an offer to study in Imperial College(Argubely best medical school in the UK)and she was turned down by KSAP due to the fact that the fees were high and they couldn&#039;t cater for it. What does this suggest? However, on the contrary, you get people from villages who have zero ambitions, not multilingual.. etc.. remain studying foundation for 10 years and thus the government costs are high... They get these scholarships just because they know someone &#039;was6a&#039; and travel to study abroad and sadly return to follow the same footsteps of the average saudi and not make a notable differnce in society.  Disclaimer: I am not against those who have potential but lack langauge or something. I am, nevertheless, against the system; who you know (connections) not individual merit.
 Al-7amdolillah though 3ala the ne3ma]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the problem with these scholarships is that people take it for granted. For example, dream and hope to leave the kingdom not to further education but to party and so&#8230;<br />
 I know someone who had an offer to study in Imperial College(Argubely best medical school in the UK)and she was turned down by KSAP due to the fact that the fees were high and they couldn&#8217;t cater for it. What does this suggest? However, on the contrary, you get people from villages who have zero ambitions, not multilingual.. etc.. remain studying foundation for 10 years and thus the government costs are high&#8230; They get these scholarships just because they know someone &#8216;was6a&#8217; and travel to study abroad and sadly return to follow the same footsteps of the average saudi and not make a notable differnce in society.  Disclaimer: I am not against those who have potential but lack langauge or something. I am, nevertheless, against the system; who you know (connections) not individual merit.<br />
 Al-7amdolillah though 3ala the ne3ma</p>
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