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		<title>By: Saudi Arabia - Riyadh - Saudi Jeans BLOG - Court of Embarrassment &#171; Equal Parenting @ Ration Shed</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17541</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Injustice « Saudi Jeans // Friday, March 13, 2009 at 10:54 &#124; Reply [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: sahnon</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17466</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m a student of the islamic law at the university of Al-Azhar,  and i  just wonder from weher the judges od saudi arabia bring there judgements and in witch basis it&#039;s built? and what islamic law&#039;s school do they follow. if you know plz tell me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a student of the islamic law at the university of Al-Azhar,  and i  just wonder from weher the judges od saudi arabia bring there judgements and in witch basis it&#8217;s built? and what islamic law&#8217;s school do they follow. if you know plz tell me.</p>
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		<title>By: San Antonio Cicily</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17463</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[San Antonio Cicily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thank god everyday  I was born in the US and I don&#039;t have to deal with this crap. I&#039;m free to invite anyone in to my home, come and go as I please, socialize with anybody I damn well please, I don&#039;t have the government telling me I can&#039;t drive or what I can do in my own home. I can leave the country without a mans permission. I don&#039;t have to worry about honor killings, or insane laws that are meant to force women into submission so that they can be controlled. I can marry whom ever I want without the government interfering. I don&#039;t have to cover myself (unless of course I want to, but this is my choice). I can find my own husband, and I don&#039;t need anyones permission to marry him. Also what is not to stop someone or a family member of lying just to get someone in trouble? How do we know that her late husbands brother isn&#039;t lying? It&#039;s sad that people feel the need to control other people. I don&#039;t think anyone can truly ever be free while living under these conditions and laws. I guess if you have never experienced true freedom and this is the only life you know then this must feel normal. You are brainwashed basically from the time you are born  and you just accept it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank god everyday  I was born in the US and I don&#8217;t have to deal with this crap. I&#8217;m free to invite anyone in to my home, come and go as I please, socialize with anybody I damn well please, I don&#8217;t have the government telling me I can&#8217;t drive or what I can do in my own home. I can leave the country without a mans permission. I don&#8217;t have to worry about honor killings, or insane laws that are meant to force women into submission so that they can be controlled. I can marry whom ever I want without the government interfering. I don&#8217;t have to cover myself (unless of course I want to, but this is my choice). I can find my own husband, and I don&#8217;t need anyones permission to marry him. Also what is not to stop someone or a family member of lying just to get someone in trouble? How do we know that her late husbands brother isn&#8217;t lying? It&#8217;s sad that people feel the need to control other people. I don&#8217;t think anyone can truly ever be free while living under these conditions and laws. I guess if you have never experienced true freedom and this is the only life you know then this must feel normal. You are brainwashed basically from the time you are born  and you just accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17460</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Age does not dismiss Islamic law from one&#039;s life. True, Islamic  dress rules for a woman after menopause are relaxed but that does not open the door to behavior that is not acceptable at any age. Seclusion with unrelated men is still unacceptable for such a woman.

The lack of clear information about this case makes it impossible to determine what the full story is that led to such a judgment and punishment.

The young men could have delivered the bread without entering her home, Islamic law would have been observed, and the woman would have received the help she needed.

Arab News reported the statement of a commission members as saying that police had arrested the woman on two previous occasions.

According to Yahoo! News, the court based its verdict on “citizen information” and testimony from Al-Anzi’s father, her late husband’s brother, who accused her of “corruption.”

The claim of the woman to a breastfeeding relationship with the young man could surely be proved by testimony of family members who knew of the breastfeeding.

To assume this woman is innocent of any wrong doing simply because she is 75 is not reasonable. There are too many unknowns and plenty of 75 year olds in the world who have proven they can commit crimes just as well as a 25 year old can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age does not dismiss Islamic law from one&#8217;s life. True, Islamic  dress rules for a woman after menopause are relaxed but that does not open the door to behavior that is not acceptable at any age. Seclusion with unrelated men is still unacceptable for such a woman.</p>
<p>The lack of clear information about this case makes it impossible to determine what the full story is that led to such a judgment and punishment.</p>
<p>The young men could have delivered the bread without entering her home, Islamic law would have been observed, and the woman would have received the help she needed.</p>
<p>Arab News reported the statement of a commission members as saying that police had arrested the woman on two previous occasions.</p>
<p>According to Yahoo! News, the court based its verdict on “citizen information” and testimony from Al-Anzi’s father, her late husband’s brother, who accused her of “corruption.”</p>
<p>The claim of the woman to a breastfeeding relationship with the young man could surely be proved by testimony of family members who knew of the breastfeeding.</p>
<p>To assume this woman is innocent of any wrong doing simply because she is 75 is not reasonable. There are too many unknowns and plenty of 75 year olds in the world who have proven they can commit crimes just as well as a 25 year old can.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17366</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would a country, a nation, or even anyone would want to adopt Sharia when it does not distinguish between YOUNG and OLD? 

You would think that a law should be made to judge people based on age and fairness. 
I really can&#039;t understand why the western world would even want to deal with a country that can&#039;t even be fair, and logical to a woman who is 75. 

Why should western countries make people who can&#039;t even think straight rich???

This is unbelievable and SAD, I thought belief in God was suppose to make people more understanding, and loving..but it seems to be making people go crazy in Saudi Arabia. 

Lucky for her she got deported.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a country, a nation, or even anyone would want to adopt Sharia when it does not distinguish between YOUNG and OLD? </p>
<p>You would think that a law should be made to judge people based on age and fairness.<br />
I really can&#8217;t understand why the western world would even want to deal with a country that can&#8217;t even be fair, and logical to a woman who is 75. </p>
<p>Why should western countries make people who can&#8217;t even think straight rich???</p>
<p>This is unbelievable and SAD, I thought belief in God was suppose to make people more understanding, and loving..but it seems to be making people go crazy in Saudi Arabia. </p>
<p>Lucky for her she got deported.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Links &#8212; March 20, 2009 &#171; Muslimah Media Watch</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Friday Links &#8212; March 20, 2009 &#171; Muslimah Media Watch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] weighs in on the arrest and sentencing of an elderly Syrian woman in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Jeans gives his take, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17319</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Antonio Cicily:

I will merely offer my own thoughts, since Saudis are far more diverse regarding attitudes than is sometimes perceived outside.

&quot;if the people in your country would rather that the US mind their own business and let you people handle your own problems, as well as staying out of the middle east completely?&quot;

What most Saudis want and expect is mutual respect and equality in our interactions.

Most Saudis do not seek estrangement or disengagement with america or the West.

Of course some of our problems must be dealt with exclusively by ourselves.  Others, such as environmental issues necessarily require international solutions.

But, if there were to be demonstrated and meaningful respect and equality in our dealings, then my belief is that most Saudis would be very pleased to interact with the West.

It is the constant and ill-informed critiques that caricature us that are harmful.  I do not say that we do not contribute to those stereotypes of ourselves -- of course we do.

We are neither as perfect as we would like to believe, nor as bad as our enemies would like to believe.

We are just human beings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Antonio Cicily:</p>
<p>I will merely offer my own thoughts, since Saudis are far more diverse regarding attitudes than is sometimes perceived outside.</p>
<p>&#8220;if the people in your country would rather that the US mind their own business and let you people handle your own problems, as well as staying out of the middle east completely?&#8221;</p>
<p>What most Saudis want and expect is mutual respect and equality in our interactions.</p>
<p>Most Saudis do not seek estrangement or disengagement with america or the West.</p>
<p>Of course some of our problems must be dealt with exclusively by ourselves.  Others, such as environmental issues necessarily require international solutions.</p>
<p>But, if there were to be demonstrated and meaningful respect and equality in our dealings, then my belief is that most Saudis would be very pleased to interact with the West.</p>
<p>It is the constant and ill-informed critiques that caricature us that are harmful.  I do not say that we do not contribute to those stereotypes of ourselves &#8212; of course we do.</p>
<p>We are neither as perfect as we would like to believe, nor as bad as our enemies would like to believe.</p>
<p>We are just human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices in Italiano &#187; Arabia Saudita: 40 frustate a una donna di 75 anni per essersi “mescolata” con due uomini</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Saudi Jeans [in] osserva: Dopo i recenti passi falsi del nostro obsoleto sistema giudiziario, ci si sarebbe aspettati dai giudici maggiore attenzione nei confronti di alcuni casi. Sfortunatamente, non è stato così. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Saudi Jeans [in] osserva: Dopo i recenti passi falsi del nostro obsoleto sistema giudiziario, ci si sarebbe aspettati dai giudici maggiore attenzione nei confronti di alcuni casi. Sfortunatamente, non è stato così. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: San Antonio Cicily</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[San Antonio Cicily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what I&#039;m wondering is if the people in your country would rather that the US mind their own business and let you people handle your own problems, as well as staying out of the middle east completely? I&#039;m just curious that&#039;s why I&#039;m asking? And I guess what I meant is that you have the right to live however you please! It was not my intent to portray you as obdurately evil nor as a paragon of virtue. I guess my bottom line is that this is your country and your lifestyle. Who are we to judge. I guess it may have seemed to some like I am making judgements and I&#039;m not. My bottom line and my concern is simply women&#039;s rights. My point is that these are your laws ad this is your way of life, who are we to tell you to change it! I also realize that of course you have drugs on your country to but Im guessing,and this is just a guess, that it probably isn&#039;t as big of an issue in SAK as it is here in th US. If I&#039;m wrong I&#039;m wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what I&#8217;m wondering is if the people in your country would rather that the US mind their own business and let you people handle your own problems, as well as staying out of the middle east completely? I&#8217;m just curious that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m asking? And I guess what I meant is that you have the right to live however you please! It was not my intent to portray you as obdurately evil nor as a paragon of virtue. I guess my bottom line is that this is your country and your lifestyle. Who are we to judge. I guess it may have seemed to some like I am making judgements and I&#8217;m not. My bottom line and my concern is simply women&#8217;s rights. My point is that these are your laws ad this is your way of life, who are we to tell you to change it! I also realize that of course you have drugs on your country to but Im guessing,and this is just a guess, that it probably isn&#8217;t as big of an issue in SAK as it is here in th US. If I&#8217;m wrong I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2009/03/13/injustice/#comment-17307</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Antonio Cicily:

As I noted, I do not believe it to be helpful to civilised discussion to make negative assumptions about the motives of others, so I do assume your heart is in the right place.

However, just as those outside should not denigrate us, we should also not be apotheosised.

Your statement &quot;why should we try and change Saudi Arabia, they have no drug problems, unwed mothers etc. and I totally agree!&quot; is inaccurate.

We have a variety of social ills, including drug and alcohol abuse, and many others.  Our society is, in fact, quite imperfect in many ways.

The police, for example, have arrested various narcotics salesmen, as but one example.

We should neither be viewed by the outside as obdurately evil nor as a paragon of virtue.

We are a human society with a significant number of social ills, just as is the case with all other societies.

It is true that because of our conservative mores, and our perceived affluence, we appear to outsiders to be rather shocking.

However, we ought not to be viewed as either a terrible place for our residents, nor as a utopia, for our nation is neither.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Antonio Cicily:</p>
<p>As I noted, I do not believe it to be helpful to civilised discussion to make negative assumptions about the motives of others, so I do assume your heart is in the right place.</p>
<p>However, just as those outside should not denigrate us, we should also not be apotheosised.</p>
<p>Your statement &#8220;why should we try and change Saudi Arabia, they have no drug problems, unwed mothers etc. and I totally agree!&#8221; is inaccurate.</p>
<p>We have a variety of social ills, including drug and alcohol abuse, and many others.  Our society is, in fact, quite imperfect in many ways.</p>
<p>The police, for example, have arrested various narcotics salesmen, as but one example.</p>
<p>We should neither be viewed by the outside as obdurately evil nor as a paragon of virtue.</p>
<p>We are a human society with a significant number of social ills, just as is the case with all other societies.</p>
<p>It is true that because of our conservative mores, and our perceived affluence, we appear to outsiders to be rather shocking.</p>
<p>However, we ought not to be viewed as either a terrible place for our residents, nor as a utopia, for our nation is neither.</p>
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