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	<title>Comments on: Taking to Streets in Saudi Arabia</title>
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		<title>By: Soraya Darwish</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Soraya Darwish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As much as I was saddened by the fact that we could not have any protests here... I understand why the government put these restrictions. Even though it would be good for saudi arabias image to get at least a foot outside the shell, they can never trust that people will peacefully demonstrate. It&#039;s all about being in control and not wanting to let go of even 1% of the control. The government does not trust the people. Period. Is it for good reason? Depends on the case.. In this case, yes, because if we were given this freedom to protest, we will automatically think that &quot;we have power&quot;, which could lead to problems, caused by the extremist,emotional, unintellectual percentage, which is not small.
I say, for now, we should just settle for other ways to show we&#039;re with the palestinians, like wearing the koufiyeh, and boycotting products that contribute to israeli economy. Now i honestly have no idea whether boycotting works or not; i mean, even if all Arab and muslim countries boycotted, it wouldnt make a big difference.. BUT at least that 0.00000..wat % my friends and i were contributing will not be part of that sum the israelis get. I researched Jewish websites to make sure it wasn&#039;t propaganda, and I found a website, schmoozenews.com i think, that has an article bout companies supportin israel: starbucks, coca cola, pepsi, marks and spencer, nestlé and others.. Just google &quot;Yubilee awards&quot; and i&#039;m sure you&#039;ll find something worth takin note of. I think if those protesters in other countries do realize that some products should be boycotted, THAT would make a huge difference, and the companies might actually consider freezing that account with israel. 

Its just an idea, and i could be wrong *shrugs* God knows..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I was saddened by the fact that we could not have any protests here&#8230; I understand why the government put these restrictions. Even though it would be good for saudi arabias image to get at least a foot outside the shell, they can never trust that people will peacefully demonstrate. It&#8217;s all about being in control and not wanting to let go of even 1% of the control. The government does not trust the people. Period. Is it for good reason? Depends on the case.. In this case, yes, because if we were given this freedom to protest, we will automatically think that &#8220;we have power&#8221;, which could lead to problems, caused by the extremist,emotional, unintellectual percentage, which is not small.<br />
I say, for now, we should just settle for other ways to show we&#8217;re with the palestinians, like wearing the koufiyeh, and boycotting products that contribute to israeli economy. Now i honestly have no idea whether boycotting works or not; i mean, even if all Arab and muslim countries boycotted, it wouldnt make a big difference.. BUT at least that 0.00000..wat % my friends and i were contributing will not be part of that sum the israelis get. I researched Jewish websites to make sure it wasn&#8217;t propaganda, and I found a website, schmoozenews.com i think, that has an article bout companies supportin israel: starbucks, coca cola, pepsi, marks and spencer, nestlé and others.. Just google &#8220;Yubilee awards&#8221; and i&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll find something worth takin note of. I think if those protesters in other countries do realize that some products should be boycotted, THAT would make a huge difference, and the companies might actually consider freezing that account with israel. </p>
<p>Its just an idea, and i could be wrong *shrugs* God knows..</p>
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		<title>By: crusher</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16457</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[learned a lot, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>learned a lot, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sparky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jack you brought up a very good point...one I was going to bring up as well.

Actually if we break things down...Jews came first...they did live in an area where Israel is today. All the prophecies of the three monolithic religions foretell of all the Jews being gathered into one place near the end times. What is there to fight about if we already know what is supposed to happen anyway?

I am very saddened seeing all the injured people especially women and children. Are Hamas people hiding themselves amongst women and children? Why would the leader stay at home with his wives and children when he was advised otherwise? Did he think Israelis would spare him because he was with his family? Why would Hamas launch rockets from shelters? 

I firmly believe Jews will not concede the tiny piece of land they have in the Middle East for any piece of land elsewhere since their origins are there. Also, if I were surrounded by Aliens who had significantly large delicious wafers to ward off their hunger and ensure their survival and they only wanted to take away the little crumbs I had, I would hold on that crumb so as not to starve.  It is all about survival as no one wants to be obliterated. If I were Palestinian and I thank God that I am not...I would pack up my bags and move perhaps to Saudi. That is a vast land...and a place so safe you wouldn&#039;t even see one rioter on the street and you would close to the two holiest cities in Islam Mecca and Medina]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack you brought up a very good point&#8230;one I was going to bring up as well.</p>
<p>Actually if we break things down&#8230;Jews came first&#8230;they did live in an area where Israel is today. All the prophecies of the three monolithic religions foretell of all the Jews being gathered into one place near the end times. What is there to fight about if we already know what is supposed to happen anyway?</p>
<p>I am very saddened seeing all the injured people especially women and children. Are Hamas people hiding themselves amongst women and children? Why would the leader stay at home with his wives and children when he was advised otherwise? Did he think Israelis would spare him because he was with his family? Why would Hamas launch rockets from shelters? </p>
<p>I firmly believe Jews will not concede the tiny piece of land they have in the Middle East for any piece of land elsewhere since their origins are there. Also, if I were surrounded by Aliens who had significantly large delicious wafers to ward off their hunger and ensure their survival and they only wanted to take away the little crumbs I had, I would hold on that crumb so as not to starve.  It is all about survival as no one wants to be obliterated. If I were Palestinian and I thank God that I am not&#8230;I would pack up my bags and move perhaps to Saudi. That is a vast land&#8230;and a place so safe you wouldn&#8217;t even see one rioter on the street and you would close to the two holiest cities in Islam Mecca and Medina</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Israel was once a country called Palestine&lt;/i&gt;

And it was run by Jews. There was never a country called Palestine run by Palestinians. If you follow your history you&#039;d know that.

And considering how backwards and barbaric Saudi Arabia is it is funny to listen to a lecture. In a country in which women have no rights and the morality police run amok. Sheez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Israel was once a country called Palestine</i></p>
<p>And it was run by Jews. There was never a country called Palestine run by Palestinians. If you follow your history you&#8217;d know that.</p>
<p>And considering how backwards and barbaric Saudi Arabia is it is funny to listen to a lecture. In a country in which women have no rights and the morality police run amok. Sheez.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Saudi Arabia: Who is to blame for Gaza?</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Voices Online &#187; Saudi Arabia: Who is to blame for Gaza?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ahmed Al-Omran reports on some demonstrations that have taken place: On the 19th of December, a few hundred people demonstrated in Qatif, a predominantly Shiite area [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ahmed Al-Omran reports on some demonstrations that have taken place: On the 19th of December, a few hundred people demonstrated in Qatif, a predominantly Shiite area [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie Curl</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie Curl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Protests against Israeli incursion into Gaza and the mass killing of Palestinians have occurred and continue to take place all over the world, including nearly every major city in the U.S.  Israel is losing a lot of support among the people of the world.  

But at this point, even if Israel pulled back and stopped shelling Gaza and said it wanted permanent peace talks, would Hamas also stop fighting?  I doubt it.  There&#039;s too much need for revenge on both sides.  So, neither side is willing to put down their arms in order to save lives.  That&#039;s why I call that area the &quot;Killing Fields.&quot;  

For years I&#039;ve watched the Palestinians caged into their ghettos and prevented from building normal lives.  At the same time, extremists like Hamas have kept up a war that provides a convenient scape goat for the Israelis: Palestinians can&#039;t be trusted; all they want is war.  I believe the Israelis are wrong and so is Hamas.

The Saudi peace plan, as I understand it, is very reasonable and workable.  Yet, neither Hamas or Israel has accepted it.  And that is just plain crazy!  (BTW, I make a clear distinction between Palestinians and Hamas.)  

Regarding the Saudi government not allowing protests such as those occurring elsewhere in the world, I suspect they fear that the protests will get out of hand - the protesters might start speaking out about things in their own country.  Plus I suspect the government wants to appear non-partisan as looking partisan might impact international business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protests against Israeli incursion into Gaza and the mass killing of Palestinians have occurred and continue to take place all over the world, including nearly every major city in the U.S.  Israel is losing a lot of support among the people of the world.  </p>
<p>But at this point, even if Israel pulled back and stopped shelling Gaza and said it wanted permanent peace talks, would Hamas also stop fighting?  I doubt it.  There&#8217;s too much need for revenge on both sides.  So, neither side is willing to put down their arms in order to save lives.  That&#8217;s why I call that area the &#8220;Killing Fields.&#8221;  </p>
<p>For years I&#8217;ve watched the Palestinians caged into their ghettos and prevented from building normal lives.  At the same time, extremists like Hamas have kept up a war that provides a convenient scape goat for the Israelis: Palestinians can&#8217;t be trusted; all they want is war.  I believe the Israelis are wrong and so is Hamas.</p>
<p>The Saudi peace plan, as I understand it, is very reasonable and workable.  Yet, neither Hamas or Israel has accepted it.  And that is just plain crazy!  (BTW, I make a clear distinction between Palestinians and Hamas.)  </p>
<p>Regarding the Saudi government not allowing protests such as those occurring elsewhere in the world, I suspect they fear that the protests will get out of hand &#8211; the protesters might start speaking out about things in their own country.  Plus I suspect the government wants to appear non-partisan as looking partisan might impact international business.</p>
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		<title>By: jaffar</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16404</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice post ahmed, i agree with you completely...
the Saudi regime try to do everything to hide the fact they are civiilized protests occur out there,what they fear most is that if they allow people in Qatif to show their support to their brothers in Gaza this time, they would have to allow others to protest for other demands which the goverment can&#039;t afford to accept whatsoever.

they arrested many people for nothing and 
there is a doubt they won&#039;t release them as what 
exactly happened many years ago, i can&#039;t get, the saudi goverment propagate their human rights shiny record -which is not true of course-,but they can&#039;t  ignore tens of people showing their support for their brothers!  


it&#039;s Muharram  but in Qatif i think they try to provoke people by every possible mean for hidden agenda.they surrounds the public gatherings, checkpoints everywhere,,.

it&#039;s basic human right and some stupid rules won&#039;t stop us.

on more thing, the comments are off the topic, just focus on the main issue here please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post ahmed, i agree with you completely&#8230;<br />
the Saudi regime try to do everything to hide the fact they are civiilized protests occur out there,what they fear most is that if they allow people in Qatif to show their support to their brothers in Gaza this time, they would have to allow others to protest for other demands which the goverment can&#8217;t afford to accept whatsoever.</p>
<p>they arrested many people for nothing and<br />
there is a doubt they won&#8217;t release them as what<br />
exactly happened many years ago, i can&#8217;t get, the saudi goverment propagate their human rights shiny record -which is not true of course-,but they can&#8217;t  ignore tens of people showing their support for their brothers!  </p>
<p>it&#8217;s Muharram  but in Qatif i think they try to provoke people by every possible mean for hidden agenda.they surrounds the public gatherings, checkpoints everywhere,,.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s basic human right and some stupid rules won&#8217;t stop us.</p>
<p>on more thing, the comments are off the topic, just focus on the main issue here please.</p>
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		<title>By: Loay Al-Shareef</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loay Al-Shareef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Valerie

What if the other side rejects all proposals and insist on exiling &quot;you&quot; out of your home? 

The Arab initiative (which was actually a Saudi) offered Israel a normalization with the 22 Arab countries and establishing diplomatic ties with the state of Israel &quot;if&quot; it was willing to withdraw to the boarders of &#039;67.

And honestly, is Israel willing to withdraw to the boarders of &#039;67? yeah, &quot;when pigs fly&quot;, the Israelis have had refused this offer and said that it was &quot;suicidal&quot; for Israel.

So, simply, there is no resolution in the horizon, unless a serious peace-seeking Israeli council takes over, and until then, the Palestinians continue their suffer, while the Arabs have already proposed Israel a complete normalization in exchange of accepting the Arab initiative.

&quot;I simply do not believe that Allah wants an endless Killing Field over land in his name&quot;

Neither do I. But you need to put the blame on those who justify this by allegedly saying that Joshua had killed +3,000 Palestinians when he conquered Palestine, and if he had done it, why can&#039;t his &quot;grandsons&quot;? 

Salam,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Valerie</p>
<p>What if the other side rejects all proposals and insist on exiling &#8220;you&#8221; out of your home? </p>
<p>The Arab initiative (which was actually a Saudi) offered Israel a normalization with the 22 Arab countries and establishing diplomatic ties with the state of Israel &#8220;if&#8221; it was willing to withdraw to the boarders of &#8217;67.</p>
<p>And honestly, is Israel willing to withdraw to the boarders of &#8217;67? yeah, &#8220;when pigs fly&#8221;, the Israelis have had refused this offer and said that it was &#8220;suicidal&#8221; for Israel.</p>
<p>So, simply, there is no resolution in the horizon, unless a serious peace-seeking Israeli council takes over, and until then, the Palestinians continue their suffer, while the Arabs have already proposed Israel a complete normalization in exchange of accepting the Arab initiative.</p>
<p>&#8220;I simply do not believe that Allah wants an endless Killing Field over land in his name&#8221;</p>
<p>Neither do I. But you need to put the blame on those who justify this by allegedly saying that Joshua had killed +3,000 Palestinians when he conquered Palestine, and if he had done it, why can&#8217;t his &#8220;grandsons&#8221;? </p>
<p>Salam,</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie Curl</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/12/31/saudi-protest-demonstration/#comment-16395</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie Curl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a total outsider who has no stake whatsoever in what occurs in Gaza, I admit I am very disheartened by the Killing Fields on both sides of the border.  

For example, Hamas kills Israelis.  Israelis kill Hamas.  Palestinians, then, join in support of Hamas to kill more Israelis.  Then, Israelis step up the firepower which kills more Palestinians.  

Over and over it goes.  Killing upon killing.  Death upon death. As a result, everyone is killing everyone.  What is the sense?  Death to everyone?  What does all the killing and death solve?

Where is the logic?  

Let me put it this way.  I kill you.  You son kills me.  My son kills your son.  Your nephew kills my son.  My cousin kills your nephew.  And on and on the killing goes.

Pretty soon everyone is dead.  

Is that what everyone wants?  For everyone to be dead?  Is that what Allah wants, for everyone to be dead?  

It makes no sense.  It&#039;s totally illogical and irrational.  

Rather than taking sides in a totally irrational Killing Field in which hundreds or thousands are dying, would it not be better to apply pressure to both sides to seek a solution to the conflict and, thus, end the killing?  Every problem has a solution if the parties truly - honestly - are willing to seek a solution.

I simply do not believe that Allah wants an endless Killing Field over land in his name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a total outsider who has no stake whatsoever in what occurs in Gaza, I admit I am very disheartened by the Killing Fields on both sides of the border.  </p>
<p>For example, Hamas kills Israelis.  Israelis kill Hamas.  Palestinians, then, join in support of Hamas to kill more Israelis.  Then, Israelis step up the firepower which kills more Palestinians.  </p>
<p>Over and over it goes.  Killing upon killing.  Death upon death. As a result, everyone is killing everyone.  What is the sense?  Death to everyone?  What does all the killing and death solve?</p>
<p>Where is the logic?  </p>
<p>Let me put it this way.  I kill you.  You son kills me.  My son kills your son.  Your nephew kills my son.  My cousin kills your nephew.  And on and on the killing goes.</p>
<p>Pretty soon everyone is dead.  </p>
<p>Is that what everyone wants?  For everyone to be dead?  Is that what Allah wants, for everyone to be dead?  </p>
<p>It makes no sense.  It&#8217;s totally illogical and irrational.  </p>
<p>Rather than taking sides in a totally irrational Killing Field in which hundreds or thousands are dying, would it not be better to apply pressure to both sides to seek a solution to the conflict and, thus, end the killing?  Every problem has a solution if the parties truly &#8211; honestly &#8211; are willing to seek a solution.</p>
<p>I simply do not believe that Allah wants an endless Killing Field over land in his name.</p>
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BCIS

Hmm, wikipedia does not agree with you..  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew#Zionism_and_emigration_from_Europe)..  However I won&#039;t try to convince you. Your lost.
As for killing each other - people are killing each other but  humanity is still long way from annihilation.  
You propose to do just that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BCIS</p>
<p>Hmm, wikipedia does not agree with you..  (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew#Zionism_and_emigration_from_Europe" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew#Zionism_and_emigration_from_Europe</a>)..  However I won&#8217;t try to convince you. Your lost.<br />
As for killing each other &#8211; people are killing each other but  humanity is still long way from annihilation.<br />
You propose to do just that.</p>
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