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		<title>By: kaveh</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-17370</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is very sad time for matrook and his family unfurtunatly ksa wants people live in dark ages and dont want let them have their freedoom and for being successfull on their mission always use religion and to keep on power use force and turture and killing becuse they must stay on power]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is very sad time for matrook and his family unfurtunatly ksa wants people live in dark ages and dont want let them have their freedoom and for being successfull on their mission always use religion and to keep on power use force and turture and killing becuse they must stay on power</p>
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		<title>By: Too Much to Ask? &#171; Saudi Jeans</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-15025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Too Much to Ask? &#171; Saudi Jeans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is not much more to say other than repeating what I said here two months ago, and also what 140 intellectuals and activists wrote in a petition to the King that was published [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is not much more to say other than repeating what I said here two months ago, and also what 140 intellectuals and activists wrote in a petition to the King that was published [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon2</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14477</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Freedom of expression or speaking out mind is acceptable to a limit&quot;

Frederick the Great was an absolute monarch, and he simply ordered that the press be free.  He led his nation through war and peace and it was noted that occasionally he would reach out and straighten anti-Frederick placards posted on the streets, so they wouldn&#039;t look untidy.  That was the extent of his limits on free speech.

Freedom of religion was also a policy of Frederick the Great.  However, the absolute monarch did impose an absolute limit: freedom of speech and freedom of religion was tolerated, freedom to commit violence and demonstrate in the street was not.  The system worked well and it was only the personal whim of his successor that led to a reversal of Prussian policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Freedom of expression or speaking out mind is acceptable to a limit&#8221;</p>
<p>Frederick the Great was an absolute monarch, and he simply ordered that the press be free.  He led his nation through war and peace and it was noted that occasionally he would reach out and straighten anti-Frederick placards posted on the streets, so they wouldn&#8217;t look untidy.  That was the extent of his limits on free speech.</p>
<p>Freedom of religion was also a policy of Frederick the Great.  However, the absolute monarch did impose an absolute limit: freedom of speech and freedom of religion was tolerated, freedom to commit violence and demonstrate in the street was not.  The system worked well and it was only the personal whim of his successor that led to a reversal of Prussian policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14430</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also I think America has a threshold of tolerance and Saudi maintains the fine balance.  However, I think America has blinded itself to many occurances for an amount of money.

So what option does a &quot;rational&quot; mind have to take.............Because such arrests as Fouads and this dude&#039;s are BAD KARMA BANGABOO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I think America has a threshold of tolerance and Saudi maintains the fine balance.  However, I think America has blinded itself to many occurances for an amount of money.</p>
<p>So what option does a &#8220;rational&#8221; mind have to take&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Because such arrests as Fouads and this dude&#8217;s are BAD KARMA BANGABOO</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14429</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RJ I agree with that thought. So if people think they are under control from outside forces the main source of outside control is America....and then why does America wonder why they might be targeted??? It is crazy really when you think about it but I GET YOUR POINT....I]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ I agree with that thought. So if people think they are under control from outside forces the main source of outside control is America&#8230;.and then why does America wonder why they might be targeted??? It is crazy really when you think about it but I GET YOUR POINT&#8230;.I</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14414</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don Cox you&#039;re right. Abu-Dahim seems to be in a flickering state of mind. In a different world of today, changes can either take place instantly, slowly or not at all. &quot;Our Masters in America&quot; decide it. I have written enough on the role of monarch, the royals, the plans, the treachery of the American master and the gone with the wind situation of some monarchy.

The people voicing their dissent against the monarchy in the Kingdom, I am afraid, is very minimial and not quite enough what Abu Dahim states. The media is impotent to the hilt. With scycophant editors and low key journalists, forget about the support. The editors are only wagggng their tails as tame dogs before the government. Who can be as bold and brave as the young Fouad Farhan? The day the Americans want to bring a revolution of freedom in the Kingdom or any Gulf country they can do it in seconds with their fire power and the large number of their army personnel based in the Gulf. What can a total defense force of 50,000 can do in front of the might of the Americans? Beleive me, the day the Americans want to do something mischievous, they can just bring in a coup within no time. And this is bound to happen.Are we prepared for democracy?Thats the bottom line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Cox you&#8217;re right. Abu-Dahim seems to be in a flickering state of mind. In a different world of today, changes can either take place instantly, slowly or not at all. &#8220;Our Masters in America&#8221; decide it. I have written enough on the role of monarch, the royals, the plans, the treachery of the American master and the gone with the wind situation of some monarchy.</p>
<p>The people voicing their dissent against the monarchy in the Kingdom, I am afraid, is very minimial and not quite enough what Abu Dahim states. The media is impotent to the hilt. With scycophant editors and low key journalists, forget about the support. The editors are only wagggng their tails as tame dogs before the government. Who can be as bold and brave as the young Fouad Farhan? The day the Americans want to bring a revolution of freedom in the Kingdom or any Gulf country they can do it in seconds with their fire power and the large number of their army personnel based in the Gulf. What can a total defense force of 50,000 can do in front of the might of the Americans? Beleive me, the day the Americans want to do something mischievous, they can just bring in a coup within no time. And this is bound to happen.Are we prepared for democracy?Thats the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Cox</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14411</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Absoluate freedom in a monarchy is impossible&quot;_____Freedom is possible in a constitutional monarchy, such as you see in Britain and several ther European countries. Here, the monarch acts as the symbolic Head of State, and can advise the elected government, but cannot overrule government decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Absoluate freedom in a monarchy is impossible&#8221;_____Freedom is possible in a constitutional monarchy, such as you see in Britain and several ther European countries. Here, the monarch acts as the symbolic Head of State, and can advise the elected government, but cannot overrule government decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu-dahim</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abu-dahim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Nighttime raises an important point, how do we make these proposed changes a reality

although it is true that the number of people calling for freedom of speech is growing they are nonetheless a minority. A minority that is often accused of being secularists (like if it was a bad thing)

a violent approach to the problem is the worst solution possible we must stand up and fight for our rights peacefully

the media, writers and intellectuals need to be more vocal and educate the public about there rights

while this approach is a slow one and we might not live to see all the changes that we want to see but it&#039;s the only way to secure a sustainable democracy 

in other words you must make the public want it and want it bad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Nighttime raises an important point, how do we make these proposed changes a reality</p>
<p>although it is true that the number of people calling for freedom of speech is growing they are nonetheless a minority. A minority that is often accused of being secularists (like if it was a bad thing)</p>
<p>a violent approach to the problem is the worst solution possible we must stand up and fight for our rights peacefully</p>
<p>the media, writers and intellectuals need to be more vocal and educate the public about there rights</p>
<p>while this approach is a slow one and we might not live to see all the changes that we want to see but it&#8217;s the only way to secure a sustainable democracy </p>
<p>in other words you must make the public want it and want it bad</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ismail, I agree with you to some extent, not fully. Yemani, Ghosaibi and AlMina are all American government puppets.They are no better than the royal, who would face the music and go to prison after democracy comes in the Kingdom.

While Yemeni is learning the tricks from the Americans, Gosaibi from the Brits and AlMina from the Indians, they would only help increase corruption. So, there should be better options than these people. We have plenty of good people for the jobs.Of all, I think installing AlMina would be the biggest blunder, though we all read the Saudi bashing by the AlMina family including his wife, brother and daughters. 
On the diplomatic front, the sycophants or the lackeys of the royals like Adil Al Jubair and his brother Nail Al Jubair and like minded diplomats like them, all deserve to be thrust into prison. There is now a popular rising for freedom of speech and freedom from the clerics. Let us breathe with ease and enjoy the liberty given to us by God. Inshallah, we would soon see a new star in the horizon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ismail, I agree with you to some extent, not fully. Yemani, Ghosaibi and AlMina are all American government puppets.They are no better than the royal, who would face the music and go to prison after democracy comes in the Kingdom.</p>
<p>While Yemeni is learning the tricks from the Americans, Gosaibi from the Brits and AlMina from the Indians, they would only help increase corruption. So, there should be better options than these people. We have plenty of good people for the jobs.Of all, I think installing AlMina would be the biggest blunder, though we all read the Saudi bashing by the AlMina family including his wife, brother and daughters.<br />
On the diplomatic front, the sycophants or the lackeys of the royals like Adil Al Jubair and his brother Nail Al Jubair and like minded diplomats like them, all deserve to be thrust into prison. There is now a popular rising for freedom of speech and freedom from the clerics. Let us breathe with ease and enjoy the liberty given to us by God. Inshallah, we would soon see a new star in the horizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismail Al Zahrani</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/06/03/kill-the-future/#comment-14404</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I think brother Abu-Dahim understood what I meant. I don&#039;t really understand as to what will happen to monarchy after the Americans thrust in democarcy? Will they suffer the fate like that of dictators like Marcos, Shah of Iran and the King of Nepal? Where would these 50,000 odd so-called arrogant Royal family members take refugee? Wherever, the royals go, they would be ordinary citizens like you and me, with no protection. I do not know if they had taken a leaf out of the troubles many such royals faced.

Americans have never been friends of anyone.That&#039;s a fact. We have all seen and read how Marcos was made to run from one country to another and then died in Honolulu. Then the Shah of Iran too faced a terrible death like Marcos and died in Egypt, and now the King of Nepal is looking for shelter in neighboring India. President Musharraf of Pakistan, the dictator, is finding ways to escape.Where in Saudi Arabia? 

Yes, the Americans are indeed planning to usher in democaracy. They have a game plan and would execute it at the right moment. As per Western media reports, they are promoting former Oil Minister Ahmed Zaki Yemani to be the president of Republic of Saudi Arabia, Dr. Ghazi Al Gosaibi as the Prime Minister, and Khalid Al Mina the chief editor of Arab News as the Information Minister. 

If the Americans under pressure plan to usher in democracy, then it would have good and bad effects. Good that the clerics and corrupt govenrment officials would be punished for their crimes against humanity, the royals ousted out from their palaces which will be turned into museums, liberilzation, while the bad things would be that people may come on streets and demonstrate and indulge in violence.

We wont. in these circumstances see Fouad behind bars or supression of the voices of the people. 

Let&#039;s hope for the best Abu-Dahim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think brother Abu-Dahim understood what I meant. I don&#8217;t really understand as to what will happen to monarchy after the Americans thrust in democarcy? Will they suffer the fate like that of dictators like Marcos, Shah of Iran and the King of Nepal? Where would these 50,000 odd so-called arrogant Royal family members take refugee? Wherever, the royals go, they would be ordinary citizens like you and me, with no protection. I do not know if they had taken a leaf out of the troubles many such royals faced.</p>
<p>Americans have never been friends of anyone.That&#8217;s a fact. We have all seen and read how Marcos was made to run from one country to another and then died in Honolulu. Then the Shah of Iran too faced a terrible death like Marcos and died in Egypt, and now the King of Nepal is looking for shelter in neighboring India. President Musharraf of Pakistan, the dictator, is finding ways to escape.Where in Saudi Arabia? </p>
<p>Yes, the Americans are indeed planning to usher in democaracy. They have a game plan and would execute it at the right moment. As per Western media reports, they are promoting former Oil Minister Ahmed Zaki Yemani to be the president of Republic of Saudi Arabia, Dr. Ghazi Al Gosaibi as the Prime Minister, and Khalid Al Mina the chief editor of Arab News as the Information Minister. </p>
<p>If the Americans under pressure plan to usher in democracy, then it would have good and bad effects. Good that the clerics and corrupt govenrment officials would be punished for their crimes against humanity, the royals ousted out from their palaces which will be turned into museums, liberilzation, while the bad things would be that people may come on streets and demonstrate and indulge in violence.</p>
<p>We wont. in these circumstances see Fouad behind bars or supression of the voices of the people. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope for the best Abu-Dahim</p>
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