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		<title>By: Watch this &#171; Saudi Jeans</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-21269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Watch this &#171; Saudi Jeans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on screaming. This video was put together by fellow blogger Raed al-Saeed, who previously produced Schism and Why Gaza children don&#8217;t deserve to be killed. I wonder if what he did is legal under the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on screaming. This video was put together by fellow blogger Raed al-Saeed, who previously produced Schism and Why Gaza children don&#8217;t deserve to be killed. I wonder if what he did is legal under the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin F</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-14058</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how counter-criticism helps any. In making this Schism film he is making a point, but also saying that according to him, Fitna was also okay to produce.

I agree with the poster earlier that (paraphrasing here) taking the high road is better and living out the true nature of Islam (as one may see it) is a much better recourse than simply spitting back at the man that spit at you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how counter-criticism helps any. In making this Schism film he is making a point, but also saying that according to him, Fitna was also okay to produce.</p>
<p>I agree with the poster earlier that (paraphrasing here) taking the high road is better and living out the true nature of Islam (as one may see it) is a much better recourse than simply spitting back at the man that spit at you.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeOne</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13565</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two differences between Schism and Fitna, Preaching violence is different from committing one. Actions speak louder than words. I am amazed that becuase both religions preach violence, they are equal. No. Islam is actively using violence to pursue its cause, as we saw how Danes all over the world shun publicity. If people in Saudi cant understand that, well, its illeteracy speaking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two differences between Schism and Fitna, Preaching violence is different from committing one. Actions speak louder than words. I am amazed that becuase both religions preach violence, they are equal. No. Islam is actively using violence to pursue its cause, as we saw how Danes all over the world shun publicity. If people in Saudi cant understand that, well, its illeteracy speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Choco</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13511</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another stupidity]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another stupidity</p>
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		<title>By: Gila</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I watched both pieces. Showing how words can be twisted--very good point.  Incidentally, as some other commenters already noted, most of the quotes were from the Old Testament; many, many Jews have spent a fair amount of time trying to reconcile those sections with the concept of peace, with varying levels of success.  My approach--look at the Bible as an historical document, reflecting historical mores.  There are many who take other views, but hey, it works for me. 

Overall however, I think the film would have been more effective had he kept his focus on the issue of language/Scriptures, and not branched out into trying to parallel the violence portrayed in Fitna. As crude, racist and downright obnoxious as Fitna is, it does address, on some crude, racist and obnoxious level, a prevailing trend in the world today--that people are dying in terror attacks propogated in the name of Islam nearly every day (quite a few in Iraq over the last week).  When Schism tries to parallel Fitnas arguments about Islam=terror /violence with a Christian= terror/violence, if falls rather flat.  Compare it to the Christianity of a couple hundred years ago?  Absolutely.  But really not so today. For example-the section with the unidentified soldiers beating up the unidentified rioters(?)  Somehow, it pales in comparison to Fitnas&#039; centerpiece--9/11 or the recent use of the mentally retarded women to blow up a market in Iraq.   The  section with the kids is another good example.  When you have seen photo after photo of children dressed up as suicide bombers, or heard the stories of children or the mentally retarded being used as suicide bombers... to try to offset that with a couple of children speaking about how they want to be part of the Army of G-d comes across as a bit ridiculous. Brainwashed?  Arguably. Looking to convert people?  Yes--try not to be rude to them when they shove the pamphlets in your face. Looking to blow up another Christian church whose theology they disagree with, or perhaps some nice big building in Dubai?  No.  

Or to put it even more simply:  Korans and books on Islam can be freely purchased in virtually any major bookstore in any Western country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched both pieces. Showing how words can be twisted&#8211;very good point.  Incidentally, as some other commenters already noted, most of the quotes were from the Old Testament; many, many Jews have spent a fair amount of time trying to reconcile those sections with the concept of peace, with varying levels of success.  My approach&#8211;look at the Bible as an historical document, reflecting historical mores.  There are many who take other views, but hey, it works for me. </p>
<p>Overall however, I think the film would have been more effective had he kept his focus on the issue of language/Scriptures, and not branched out into trying to parallel the violence portrayed in Fitna. As crude, racist and downright obnoxious as Fitna is, it does address, on some crude, racist and obnoxious level, a prevailing trend in the world today&#8211;that people are dying in terror attacks propogated in the name of Islam nearly every day (quite a few in Iraq over the last week).  When Schism tries to parallel Fitnas arguments about Islam=terror /violence with a Christian= terror/violence, if falls rather flat.  Compare it to the Christianity of a couple hundred years ago?  Absolutely.  But really not so today. For example-the section with the unidentified soldiers beating up the unidentified rioters(?)  Somehow, it pales in comparison to Fitnas&#8217; centerpiece&#8211;9/11 or the recent use of the mentally retarded women to blow up a market in Iraq.   The  section with the kids is another good example.  When you have seen photo after photo of children dressed up as suicide bombers, or heard the stories of children or the mentally retarded being used as suicide bombers&#8230; to try to offset that with a couple of children speaking about how they want to be part of the Army of G-d comes across as a bit ridiculous. Brainwashed?  Arguably. Looking to convert people?  Yes&#8211;try not to be rude to them when they shove the pamphlets in your face. Looking to blow up another Christian church whose theology they disagree with, or perhaps some nice big building in Dubai?  No.  </p>
<p>Or to put it even more simply:  Korans and books on Islam can be freely purchased in virtually any major bookstore in any Western country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13474</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abdullah

http://www.stat.washington.edu/jobs/questions/

No problem.  This is only a discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdullah</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stat.washington.edu/jobs/questions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stat.washington.edu/jobs/questions/</a></p>
<p>No problem.  This is only a discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13470</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems that you all agree on the following:
&quot;Muslims in the middle-east are emotional/aggressive.&quot;  The rest of the world  would emphatically agree and it is from this fact that so much misery for the world flows.  Allow me to point out that it is the responsibility of Islam, as basically the universal religion, to civilize these unwashed hoards.  Thats what religions do. Until Islam lives up to this responsibility and its followers begin to act like responsible citizens of the world, Islam will be seen as it is now: part and parcel of a violent, crazed, suicidal mania.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that you all agree on the following:<br />
&#8220;Muslims in the middle-east are emotional/aggressive.&#8221;  The rest of the world  would emphatically agree and it is from this fact that so much misery for the world flows.  Allow me to point out that it is the responsibility of Islam, as basically the universal religion, to civilize these unwashed hoards.  Thats what religions do. Until Islam lives up to this responsibility and its followers begin to act like responsible citizens of the world, Islam will be seen as it is now: part and parcel of a violent, crazed, suicidal mania.</p>
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		<title>By: Mansour</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mansour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How should i know e-mail them and ask,, i guess they wont ask if you are a &quot;Khawaja&quot; or not,, will if they replied anyway,, but you can photo-copy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How should i know e-mail them and ask,, i guess they wont ask if you are a &#8220;Khawaja&#8221; or not,, will if they replied anyway,, but you can photo-copy</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] تحديث// مدونين تحدثوا: بندر - هديل - انتروبي - أحمد العمران [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Crispal</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2008/04/12/schism/#comment-13452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Crispal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mansour, thank you for the information. i didn&#039;t know that. 
So, myself, a khawaja, go to the Islamic University and asks for a Bible because I want to have a critical view of it ? Hmm. I rather don&#039;t try that one. I can imagine the answer from the Islamic University staff. Being a khawaja is not always that easy here. 
Besides, how many Bibles do they keep in the Islamic University for people to have a critical view of it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mansour, thank you for the information. i didn&#8217;t know that.<br />
So, myself, a khawaja, go to the Islamic University and asks for a Bible because I want to have a critical view of it ? Hmm. I rather don&#8217;t try that one. I can imagine the answer from the Islamic University staff. Being a khawaja is not always that easy here.<br />
Besides, how many Bibles do they keep in the Islamic University for people to have a critical view of it?</p>
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