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		<title>By: Cab driver sought in death of two daughters in Irving - Page 2 - Debate Politics Forums</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-12096</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]    Hijab - Cultural practices and controversy     The outrageous case of the `Qatif girl&#039;   Ibrahim Al Khodhairi, a judge at the appeals court in Riyadh, told Okaz today that the judges in this case should have imposed the death penalty on all the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    Hijab &#8211; Cultural practices and controversy     The outrageous case of the `Qatif girl&#8217;  Ibrahim Al Khodhairi, a judge at the appeals court in Riyadh, told Okaz today that the judges in this case should have imposed the death penalty on all the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Where are all the moderate Muslims?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Feministe &#187; Where are all the moderate Muslims?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Even Saudis: 200 Lashes for Rape Victim Arab View &#8212; Rape: Who Gets Punished And Who Does Not? Saudi Jeans blog &#8212; The Qatif Girl, Again and Justice and Common Sense Saudi Gazette - The Agony of Qatif Girl Progressive Muslima News Arab [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Even Saudis: 200 Lashes for Rape Victim Arab View &#8212; Rape: Who Gets Punished And Who Does Not? Saudi Jeans blog &#8212; The Qatif Girl, Again and Justice and Common Sense Saudi Gazette &#8211; The Agony of Qatif Girl Progressive Muslima News Arab [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saudi Jeans on CNN &#171; Saudi Jeans</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Troy Z</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10489</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turkish Citizen, you are spot-on when you observe that &quot;[a]lthough they may not actively be the cause of some of these horrific tribal customs, they nevertheless turn a blind eye on such practices for the sole reason that it suits them economically.&quot; 

As an American citizen, do I want to believe that we do work to promote liberty worldwide? I do indeed. However, can I ask the rest of the world to believe that when I keep running into embarassing evidence of policy to the contrary? 

According to the 2006 International Religious Freedom Report released by the United States&#039; Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, makes note of Eritrea being the recipient of continued applied sanctions under the Arms Export Control Act. Meawhile, &quot;in September 2005 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice re-designated Saudi Arabia as a CPC [Country of Particular Concern], and the Government was issued a waiver of sanctions &#039;to further the purposes of the Act.&#039;&quot; 

I don&#039;t count that as any kind of stand on the stated principles I cherish. Matter of fact, the colloquilaism &quot;pussy out&quot; readily suggests itself instead.

What else is predominant in the world&#039;s attention? The US&#039; aid and support for Pakistan&#039;s Musharraf despite his undercutting of judicial review, correct? Is it not also correct that it is a secular regime that STILL has capital blasphemy laws in effect (Section 295-C)? What  of our efforts to change that? Is it possible that the United States&#039; current administration applied behind-the-scenes pressure to at least prompt Musharraf to step down from his offical post as general? Yes, I concede the possibility, but we can&#039;t tell. I am asking for our pressures to be not so invisible. We can&#039;t see statecraft in action when it comes to our reputation any more than the rest of the world can.

China? We bent over backwards to give them a Most Favored Nation trading partner status beofre their induction into the WTO, and still the  circulation of the iconic image a lone protestor facing down a tank is a jailable offense, as is forming labor unions and reporting on anything that could embarass The State.

I&#039;m through accepting that engagement produces favorable results in the pursuit of liberty and accountability. Furthermore, I&#039;m also through accepting that we can deploy our troops abroad in the explicit name of defending others&#039; freedoms without asking of our own citizenry certain sacrifices of comfort that pales in shameful comparison to the possible sacrifice of life and limb. If it means alarming increases in oil prices and the cost of manufactured products, and the resulatant complications, then we either need to say so be it or to not be surprised when we are not believed, even by ourselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkish Citizen, you are spot-on when you observe that &#8220;[a]lthough they may not actively be the cause of some of these horrific tribal customs, they nevertheless turn a blind eye on such practices for the sole reason that it suits them economically.&#8221; </p>
<p>As an American citizen, do I want to believe that we do work to promote liberty worldwide? I do indeed. However, can I ask the rest of the world to believe that when I keep running into embarassing evidence of policy to the contrary? </p>
<p>According to the 2006 International Religious Freedom Report released by the United States&#8217;Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, makes note of Eritrea being the recipient of continued applied sanctions under the Arms Export Control Act. Meawhile, &#8220;in September 2005 Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice re-designated Saudi Arabia as a CPC [Country of Particular Concern], and the Government was issued a waiver of sanctions &#8216;to further the purposes of the Act.&#8217;&#8221; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t count that as any kind of stand on the stated principles I cherish. Matter of fact, the colloquilaism &#8220;pussy out&#8221; readily suggests itself instead.</p>
<p>What else is predominant in the world&#8217;s attention? The US&#8217;aid and support for Pakistan&#8217;s Musharraf despite his undercutting of judicial review, correct? Is it not also correct that it is a secular regime that STILL has capital blasphemy laws in effect (Section 295-C)? What  of our efforts to change that? Is it possible that the United States&#8217;current administration applied behind-the-scenes pressure to at least prompt Musharraf to step down from his offical post as general? Yes, I concede the possibility, but we can&#8217;t tell. I am asking for our pressures to be not so invisible. We can&#8217;t see statecraft in action when it comes to our reputation any more than the rest of the world can.</p>
<p>China? We bent over backwards to give them a Most Favored Nation trading partner status beofre their induction into the WTO, and still the  circulation of the iconic image a lone protestor facing down a tank is a jailable offense, as is forming labor unions and reporting on anything that could embarass The State.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m through accepting that engagement produces favorable results in the pursuit of liberty and accountability. Furthermore, I&#8217;m also through accepting that we can deploy our troops abroad in the explicit name of defending others&#8217;freedoms without asking of our own citizenry certain sacrifices of comfort that pales in shameful comparison to the possible sacrifice of life and limb. If it means alarming increases in oil prices and the cost of manufactured products, and the resulatant complications, then we either need to say so be it or to not be surprised when we are not believed, even by ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[someguy@indonesia 
aka (Mr. look at me I&#039;ve made cool statement)

We aren&#039;t satanic worshiper !!!!!

There are lots of people in Saudi who are very liberal or just normal but not conservatively strict
 
and YES i believe we have a corruption in Saudi Arabia but no one would take a bribe !

Lastly, please don&#039;t think that i agree with what happened to the girl!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someguy@indonesia<br />
aka (Mr. look at me I&#8217;ve made cool statement)</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t satanic worshiper !!!!!</p>
<p>There are lots of people in Saudi who are very liberal or just normal but not conservatively strict</p>
<p>and YES i believe we have a corruption in Saudi Arabia but no one would take a bribe !</p>
<p>Lastly, please don&#8217;t think that i agree with what happened to the girl!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tabuk Knight</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tabuk Knight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[someguy@indonesia,
why you don&#039;t have to stay in Saudi Arabia, You can go home and stop the suffering. Run for your life, run!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someguy@indonesia,<br />
why you don&#8217;t have to stay in Saudi Arabia, You can go home and stop the suffering. Run for your life, run!</p>
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		<title>By: Tabuk Knight</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tabuk Knight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turkish Citizen, 
why in Turkey they harass women just because they cover their heads (wear hijab)?
You should not talk about Turkey fondly and ask it to stop the ethnic cleansing it is carrying against Kurds as it did to arabs an armenians in the past.
If your country is that modern and great why are you begging to be apart of the EU and are rejected over and over, I see no self respect!That&#039;s the humilation Ataturk brought for Turkey, from being the head of the Islamic world to the tail of European world!
You wanna be EU citizen instead of Turkish citizen, what a shame!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turkish Citizen,<br />
why in Turkey they harass women just because they cover their heads (wear hijab)?<br />
You should not talk about Turkey fondly and ask it to stop the ethnic cleansing it is carrying against Kurds as it did to arabs an armenians in the past.<br />
If your country is that modern and great why are you begging to be apart of the EU and are rejected over and over, I see no self respect!That&#8217;s the humilation Ataturk brought for Turkey, from being the head of the Islamic world to the tail of European world!<br />
You wanna be EU citizen instead of Turkish citizen, what a shame!</p>
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		<title>By: Tabuk Knight</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tabuk Knight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The story of the incident:

The woman was married and having an affair with another man.  They were having sex on the beach at night when a group of men approached them and caught them in the act.  They attacked the man and raped her.  No body knew about it until her husband found out a couple of months later from an anonymous caller.  That&#039;s when he confronted her and when she admitted to him it was true, he went to the police and filed  a complaint against her and the others.  Justice procedures took place as they would do in any other case. My heart goes to the poor husband who had a cheating wife who had no respect for her family nor for herself, and I hope she did not bring her husband or herself a sexual tansmitted disease like AIDS!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of the incident:</p>
<p>The woman was married and having an affair with another man.  They were having sex on the beach at night when a group of men approached them and caught them in the act.  They attacked the man and raped her.  No body knew about it until her husband found out a couple of months later from an anonymous caller.  That&#8217;s when he confronted her and when she admitted to him it was true, he went to the police and filed  a complaint against her and the others.  Justice procedures took place as they would do in any other case. My heart goes to the poor husband who had a cheating wife who had no respect for her family nor for herself, and I hope she did not bring her husband or herself a sexual tansmitted disease like AIDS!</p>
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		<title>By: Turkish Citizen</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turkish Citizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Don Cox, I am not a US citizen and I am not Arab, therefore I think I have a relatively objective view regarding the attitude of the western countries towards third world countries. Although they may not actively be the cause of some of these horrific tribal customs, they nevertheless turn a blind eye on such practices for the sole reason that it suits them economically. Always easier to convince a tribal chief than a nationally elected parliament. 
Just support the Saudi tribal chief, get all the oil you want, in return keep quiet an let him stay in power. Simple as that...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Don Cox, I am not a US citizen and I am not Arab, therefore I think I have a relatively objective view regarding the attitude of the western countries towards third world countries. Although they may not actively be the cause of some of these horrific tribal customs, they nevertheless turn a blind eye on such practices for the sole reason that it suits them economically. Always easier to convince a tribal chief than a nationally elected parliament.<br />
Just support the Saudi tribal chief, get all the oil you want, in return keep quiet an let him stay in power. Simple as that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paltrice (pat)</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2007/11/27/the-qatif-girl-again/#comment-10410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paltrice (pat)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This ruling is another slap on the face of so called Ministry of Justice (injustice). Being a recent convert, I feel that these followers of islam should read their history carefully. The person(s) who commits Zina Bil Jabr (rape) should be sentenced to stonning. We can debate on this issue how that can be possible if there are no witnesses, but in Qatif Girl&#039;s case, because all the seven men accepted their crime, there is no reason to punish them with only lashes. 
In the history books (leading ones) and the Hadith books (Six leading ones), there is no reference or ruling by any of the four caliph who punished the female victim because she was forcefully raped. I challenge all my brothers to show me even a single jurisprudence in any worthy book which can justify what these mutawas (religous scholars) are doing in the case of Qatif Girl. Most of these mutawas are totally blindfolded by the reading they have done throughout their life. I seriously think that Ministry of Justice in Saudi Arabia should take out the element of tribal cultral practices which have no roots in islamic laws. Dont make us and our religion a laughing stock. If you are the custodians of Ka&#039;aba. Be the true custodian of Justice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ruling is another slap on the face of so called Ministry of Justice (injustice). Being a recent convert, I feel that these followers of islam should read their history carefully. The person(s) who commits Zina Bil Jabr (rape) should be sentenced to stonning. We can debate on this issue how that can be possible if there are no witnesses, but in Qatif Girl&#8217;s case, because all the seven men accepted their crime, there is no reason to punish them with only lashes.<br />
In the history books (leading ones) and the Hadith books (Six leading ones), there is no reference or ruling by any of the four caliph who punished the female victim because she was forcefully raped. I challenge all my brothers to show me even a single jurisprudence in any worthy book which can justify what these mutawas (religous scholars) are doing in the case of Qatif Girl. Most of these mutawas are totally blindfolded by the reading they have done throughout their life. I seriously think that Ministry of Justice in Saudi Arabia should take out the element of tribal cultral practices which have no roots in islamic laws. Dont make us and our religion a laughing stock. If you are the custodians of Ka&#8217;aba. Be the true custodian of Justice.</p>
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