Comments on: Mixing Banned at Saudi Banks

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By: abu daoud

abu daoud — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:10:30 +0000

Thank you Viscous,

But you didn’t give me a hadiith or answer any of my other questions. To be honest I’m just tired of hearing “it’s the sharii3a.” Whose sharii3a? Based on which collection of hadiith? How reliable is it?

I see what you mean though about traddition. Trust me when I say I do think tradition is important and should be respected. But let us admit that ultimately we must worship God, not the sharii3a or culture or ahadiith or what have you.

Salaam wa na3ma.

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By: Banker

Banker — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:21:16 +0000

I work in SABB and I would like to clear one thing, CPVPV did not – and can not – squad the banks and they are not allowd to enter any building belong to the banks, what they have done is they raised the issue of mixing to SAMA, they have also threatined sama that they will sue sama for breaking the “Ismalic Shariaa”, and sama squads the banks HQ and ordered the banks to ban the mixing.

By: Ahmed

Ahmed — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:35:17 +0000

viscous, you are going way off-topic. This post has nothing to do with discrimination against South Asians. Please stay on-topic or your comments will be deleted.

By: viscous

viscous — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:28:06 +0000

Certainly, I would not have anything against women driving in KSA if the government ensures that it will do justice in punishing each human soul that commits act of indecency and kills someone in car accident while showing some ‘stunts’ to the opposite sex.

By: viscous

viscous — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:19:04 +0000

@ Abu Daud: How am I screwing the working conditions? Its Saudis, yes Saudi white-collar elephants who are screwing the life of thousands of immigrants. 3 of my relatives have NOT been fired but have been forced to resign from the banks where they have been working for 15-20 years! I am not just speaking for them, I am speaking for all of my South Asia brothers. I saw one video on youtube where some stupid typical saudi youngsters disgrace a Bengali’s respect by taking off his traditional dress called ‘lunghi’. You can search yourself by typing Saudi Pranks on youtube.
My relatives have been forced to resign under the name of ‘saudization’. Foreigners helped this country reach where it is now and now they are firing the same ppl.

Its inherent in the genes of Saudi’s that they will do mischief. Thats my personal experience after living in different cities of Saudi Arabia. From Riyadh to Al-Qasim. Same mischeivous mentality of these youngsters. If women are allowed to come on streets as workers then only God can save this country. Instead of progressing, whatever remains of this place will also go down.

In my 18 years of life there, I have come across very very few mentally developed Saudi’s who know how to respect humanity.

Now, here are you, trying to fight for removal of segregation, just to satisfy your lust to work with women. Rights of women can be given to them even by maintaining segregation. You guys are using ‘discrimination of women’ as a tool to remove segregation. You might say that segregation is discriminatory for women. No, most of the women would not want males to stare at their bosoms or bodies at workplace and would want their own space if it possible. Obviously, it is possible in a oil-producing country like KSA.
Soon a time will come when you will say that women should remove Hijab because it interferes with their progress. Certainly rights of women should be given to them BUT this does not mean that segregation should be removed. This does not mean that women should pray side by side with men in the mosques. This does not mean that women should be allowed to drive in KSA because it will only lead to more accidents. These so called saudi youths will try to follow women, showing ‘stunts’ trying to impress them. In the end who will die? The normal lower middle class South Asian walking on the side of the road.

I COULD NOT MAKE MYSELF MORE CLEAR.

By: abu daoud

abu daoud — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:02:17 +0000

Hmmm. Viscous, could you please refer me to the specific hadiith you have in mind? I mean, I can find a hadiith for anything if I set my mind to it. So don’t ever appeal to a hadiith unless you can give a specific, clear hadiith to explain yourself.

And also, it better not have centuries of tafsiir and ijtihaad and istihsaan and istihsaal on top of it…please. Let it be a clear hadiit.

Oh yeah, and check it your linkage (isnaad) please. Make sure that if you are going to screw up the working conditions of thousands of men and women today in KSA that you are absolutely sure that your isnaad is air tight.

Waiting for your response, ayuha al mu3allim.

Abu Daoud al harbi

By: viscous

viscous — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:21:29 +0000

@ Paddy! how is it backward? What if I say that the mixing of the sexes is backward? Then? Notions, words, meanings, ethics, change over time. Nothing is absolute. Your comment was based on illogical thinking. How is segregation backward? Is not then executing Saddam Hussain by hanging backward? He could have been killed with that ‘Lethal Injection’. You little US loving pranks.

By: viscous

viscous — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:17:56 +0000

Segregated environments are good. If Saudis did not have money to make everything separate for men and women then it would make sense to have a mixed work environment where excessive opposite sexes intermingling would not occur. But, since these ol Arabs got all the money from their oil, why not create completely segregated environment, following the Hadith of the Prophet. Its just a silly excuse made by women that in segregated environment we wont progress! It just points to another fact that the mentality of these women is such that they wont progress because they depend on men and thus want to intermingle with men. Enough with my philosophical dissection of the argument.
In short, segregation of sexes is the best thing that could happen in this world.