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		<title>By: Saudi Forces Burn Mosque and Desecrate Holy Quran in Bahrain</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-24175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saudi Forces Burn Mosque and Desecrate Holy Quran in Bahrain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] unlike -    Original Post By Developereo    Yet the Saudis DO have a history of bulldozing history link. So why would you expect to easily discover records of Saudis bulldozing mosques from official [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] unlike &#8211;    Original Post By Developereo    Yet the Saudis DO have a history of bulldozing history link. So why would you expect to easily discover records of Saudis bulldozing mosques from official [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tortured Expat</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-19265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tortured Expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The wanton destruction of the old(er) districts around the holy areas in Makah and Medina were/are based on greed by the powerful few who see business opportunities to benefit themselves alone -and they cannot be challenged. The old areas in Jeddah and Yanbu are other examples. I well remember the old Prince of Yanbu saying he would like to demolish the historic area and build a shopping mall and carpark- and that was in the 1980s. All this loss of heritage, which can never be replaced, is only to the detriment of future saudi generations who will curse those who went before them for such behaviour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wanton destruction of the old(er) districts around the holy areas in Makah and Medina were/are based on greed by the powerful few who see business opportunities to benefit themselves alone -and they cannot be challenged. The old areas in Jeddah and Yanbu are other examples. I well remember the old Prince of Yanbu saying he would like to demolish the historic area and build a shopping mall and carpark- and that was in the 1980s. All this loss of heritage, which can never be replaced, is only to the detriment of future saudi generations who will curse those who went before them for such behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: hafster</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-18037</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We live in an archaelogical age of skepticism. Let me elaborate. 

If you attempt to talk about Islamic history using books like Sirah Ibn Hisham or Futuhat Shaam as supporting evidence for your thesis, people don&#039;t believe you. Especially non-muslims. 

But if you provide archaelogical evidence of your claims, everyone listens. By annihilating monuments of Islamic History, we are exposing ourselves to lurid and false claims about our religion. Without archaelogical evidence in our reponse to these claims, our statements sound hollow. 

Muslim historians are now frantically trying to collect togethor evidence of Islamic achievements and accomplishements to PROTECT Islam against attacks. An excellent example is www.islamic-awareness.org, who are documenting Islamic manuscripts and examples of Arabic script in arachelogical buildings to debunk Orientalist claims that the Quran was written AFTER the Prophet&#039;s death. If the archaelogical evidence is gone, who will defend Islam. The tooth fairy? 

I will write more on a later date.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in an archaelogical age of skepticism. Let me elaborate. </p>
<p>If you attempt to talk about Islamic history using books like Sirah Ibn Hisham or Futuhat Shaam as supporting evidence for your thesis, people don&#8217;t believe you. Especially non-muslims. </p>
<p>But if you provide archaelogical evidence of your claims, everyone listens. By annihilating monuments of Islamic History, we are exposing ourselves to lurid and false claims about our religion. Without archaelogical evidence in our reponse to these claims, our statements sound hollow. </p>
<p>Muslim historians are now frantically trying to collect togethor evidence of Islamic achievements and accomplishements to PROTECT Islam against attacks. An excellent example is <a href="http://www.islamic-awareness.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamic-awareness.org</a>, who are documenting Islamic manuscripts and examples of Arabic script in arachelogical buildings to debunk Orientalist claims that the Quran was written AFTER the Prophet&#8217;s death. If the archaelogical evidence is gone, who will defend Islam. The tooth fairy? </p>
<p>I will write more on a later date.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-17144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not Wahhabism that calls for the removal of graves that are used as shrines for pilgrims. It is ISLAM and the SUNNAH which calls for it. 

Mohammad (PBUH) told us to stick to his way and the way of his Companions. One of his Comapanions, Omar ibn Khattab, went so far as to cut down a tree under which many Muslims gave an pledge of allegiance to Mohammad (PBUH) because people started to make pilgrimages there. He was afraid that after a few generations, people would start to commit SHIRK and revere the tree instead of just going to remember what happened there. 

That is how idol-worship starts - firstly by looking at something to remind you of something else which is good, and then slowly replacing the remembrance of something good with remembrance of an object.

These places have no special powers or blessings which come from themselves. They cannot benefit us or harm us of themselves. Only ALLAH has power and distributes Blessing as He wills, so turn to HIM for every need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not Wahhabism that calls for the removal of graves that are used as shrines for pilgrims. It is ISLAM and the SUNNAH which calls for it. </p>
<p>Mohammad (PBUH) told us to stick to his way and the way of his Companions. One of his Comapanions, Omar ibn Khattab, went so far as to cut down a tree under which many Muslims gave an pledge of allegiance to Mohammad (PBUH) because people started to make pilgrimages there. He was afraid that after a few generations, people would start to commit SHIRK and revere the tree instead of just going to remember what happened there. </p>
<p>That is how idol-worship starts &#8211; firstly by looking at something to remind you of something else which is good, and then slowly replacing the remembrance of something good with remembrance of an object.</p>
<p>These places have no special powers or blessings which come from themselves. They cannot benefit us or harm us of themselves. Only ALLAH has power and distributes Blessing as He wills, so turn to HIM for every need.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Dharr Al Ghifari</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-15001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abu Dharr Al Ghifari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Viscous 

I think that the people commenting here are not implying in anyway that Muhammed (peace be upon him) was a extremist. Muhammed (peace be upon him) broke the idols in order to dissolve the old tribal system and to establish Tawheed (To make something one, Islamic monotheism). 

Today people have returned to the old tribal system while they maintain that they are still have Tawheed. 

I don&#039;t personally think that by not preserving old architecture monuments will in anyway implicitly or explicitly promote polytheism or promote people to live in the past pre-Islamic times. 

I think that by preserving, refurbishing and maintaining historical monuments such as architecture such as the old town in Jeddah or any other part of Islamic culture is essential in preserving a national and Islamic identity. 

This will not in anyway promote the pre-Islamic Arabia but will rather give a contrast of the immense chance and rapid development from the pre-Islamic to the Islamic era. Something that we all as Muslims can be very proud of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Viscous </p>
<p>I think that the people commenting here are not implying in anyway that Muhammed (peace be upon him) was a extremist. Muhammed (peace be upon him) broke the idols in order to dissolve the old tribal system and to establish Tawheed (To make something one, Islamic monotheism). </p>
<p>Today people have returned to the old tribal system while they maintain that they are still have Tawheed. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t personally think that by not preserving old architecture monuments will in anyway implicitly or explicitly promote polytheism or promote people to live in the past pre-Islamic times. </p>
<p>I think that by preserving, refurbishing and maintaining historical monuments such as architecture such as the old town in Jeddah or any other part of Islamic culture is essential in preserving a national and Islamic identity. </p>
<p>This will not in anyway promote the pre-Islamic Arabia but will rather give a contrast of the immense chance and rapid development from the pre-Islamic to the Islamic era. Something that we all as Muslims can be very proud of.</p>
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		<title>By: viscous</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-14235</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[viscous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 04:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[was Muhammad (peace be upon him) extremist when he destroyed the idols? That is what you think right ... it is implicit in your statements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was Muhammad (peace be upon him) extremist when he destroyed the idols? That is what you think right &#8230; it is implicit in your statements.</p>
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		<title>By: viscous</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-14234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[viscous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 04:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why did MUhammad (peace be upong him) destroy the 300 idols placed inside the Kaaba when he invaded it? That was pre-Islamic history. Those were the treasures that would have allowed the researchers today to study pre-Islamic Arabia. Why dont you point fingers at our Prophet while you are quick enough to point fingers at his followers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did MUhammad (peace be upong him) destroy the 300 idols placed inside the Kaaba when he invaded it? That was pre-Islamic history. Those were the treasures that would have allowed the researchers today to study pre-Islamic Arabia. Why dont you point fingers at our Prophet while you are quick enough to point fingers at his followers?</p>
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		<title>By: Anwar Rizvi</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-13650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anwar Rizvi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I doubt if the people behind the destruction of the historical sites truly understand the damage they are causing to their own culture and to Muslim heritage which is not the exclusive preserve of any particular sect or nationality. 

Whether its an old fort or a shrine, a grave or a statue, over a period of time it becomes a symbol of what was great/good/bad/evil about that particular era. We learn and move forward. But their physical presence is a constant reminder to all of us: it can be a source of great pride or a symbol of hatred. It stand silently and tells us a powerful story, much much more powerful then words can describe. Destroy that physical presence and you have destroyed a priceless part of your own heritage. You have nothing to pass on to the next generation except perhaps a fairy tale and a less then inspiring view of a multi story parking lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if the people behind the destruction of the historical sites truly understand the damage they are causing to their own culture and to Muslim heritage which is not the exclusive preserve of any particular sect or nationality. </p>
<p>Whether its an old fort or a shrine, a grave or a statue, over a period of time it becomes a symbol of what was great/good/bad/evil about that particular era. We learn and move forward. But their physical presence is a constant reminder to all of us: it can be a source of great pride or a symbol of hatred. It stand silently and tells us a powerful story, much much more powerful then words can describe. Destroy that physical presence and you have destroyed a priceless part of your own heritage. You have nothing to pass on to the next generation except perhaps a fairy tale and a less then inspiring view of a multi story parking lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Majnoon Amerikia</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-12712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Majnoon Amerikia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my very favorite places on the old home planet is a Turkish fort up in Hafar Al Batin.  I went there as often as I could during my SCECO project inspections in the late 70&#039;s.  It had the untouched remains of Pre WWI, WWI, WWII and other bits and pieces of history.  I know from my reading that the location of the fort was critical as far back as the Sumerians.  They wrote that the &#039;Semitic&#039; people  (Bedu?)regularly used Waddi Al Batin to stage raids on their cities.  Recently Saddam was surprised to have his huge army cut off by folks using that same Waddi Al Batin route.  I think the Bedu probably also made life hell for the Turks and that is why they built the fort in the first place. It is odd to me that the Bedu, being the most free of people one can imagine were also part of Abul Wahab&#039;s theosophy ( if that is how you spell it).  I look on Google Earth regularly to try and find this World Class historic fort.  Does anyone on this blog live up in that area and know if it is still there?  I have some photos of the fort, but I would appreciate knowing where to look related to the new town that has grown up there.  Very best to you all and I think this must be a hard but important and historic time to be a young Saudi!  Also, does anyone know what spices are used in Schwarma?  No one here in North America has a clue..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my very favorite places on the old home planet is a Turkish fort up in Hafar Al Batin.  I went there as often as I could during my SCECO project inspections in the late 70&#8242;s.  It had the untouched remains of Pre WWI, WWI, WWII and other bits and pieces of history.  I know from my reading that the location of the fort was critical as far back as the Sumerians.  They wrote that the &#8216;Semitic&#8217; people  (Bedu?)regularly used Waddi Al Batin to stage raids on their cities.  Recently Saddam was surprised to have his huge army cut off by folks using that same Waddi Al Batin route.  I think the Bedu probably also made life hell for the Turks and that is why they built the fort in the first place. It is odd to me that the Bedu, being the most free of people one can imagine were also part of Abul Wahab&#8217;s theosophy ( if that is how you spell it).  I look on Google Earth regularly to try and find this World Class historic fort.  Does anyone on this blog live up in that area and know if it is still there?  I have some photos of the fort, but I would appreciate knowing where to look related to the new town that has grown up there.  Very best to you all and I think this must be a hard but important and historic time to be a young Saudi!  Also, does anyone know what spices are used in Schwarma?  No one here in North America has a clue..</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Jakul Tamud Buratmo Bahu</title>
		<link>http://saudijeans.org/2005/07/15/our-bulldozed-history/#comment-11852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdul Jakul Tamud Buratmo Bahu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember the Bamiyan Buddha statues in Afganistan? They blew it to kingdom come and all thats left is the base of the statue. It was made 1400 years ago or so and this Taligang err Taliban  just blew because it was against Islam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the Bamiyan Buddha statues in Afganistan? They blew it to kingdom come and all thats left is the base of the statue. It was made 1400 years ago or so and this Taligang err Taliban  just blew because it was against Islam.</p>
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